There's no doubt that these require serious pinching as they yield V2 on vertical walls. They are all neutral to slopey, which means you can't cheat your way around them. On a 45 degree wall, expect V8+. All of the holds are quite long with the smallest at 9" so setting them as horizontal ledges allow for room for both hands. When using them horizontally, expect V3 on vertical and V9 on a 45-degree wall.